tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816095223506770563.post433781764320627175..comments2023-05-27T19:26:45.029+05:30Comments on Jai's blog: FAST (Financial assistance for Telangana students) and the 1956 cut-off dateJai Gottimukkalahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17295146527743208423noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816095223506770563.post-88252581663069915962015-01-31T12:08:22.328+05:302015-01-31T12:08:22.328+05:30I welcome the move to drop the FAST scheme.
The o...I welcome the move to drop the FAST scheme.<br /><br />The other problems including poor quality of engineering education & the need to introduce accountability against the financial assistance need to be addressed soon.Jai Gottimukkalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17295146527743208423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816095223506770563.post-16301962469409510622014-08-12T16:49:00.501+05:302014-08-12T16:49:00.501+05:30I avoided responding as your question is unrelated...I avoided responding as your question is unrelated to the post.<br /><br />The university was set up in 1963. Naidu in his second term renamed it after the late NG Ranga. I can't find how the name was changed but I guess it was through executive action (GO).<br /><br />The university is not listed in schedule X. Therefore the provisions of section 75 (protection of facilities to the "Jai Gottimukkalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17295146527743208423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816095223506770563.post-75830313874090809472014-08-12T10:09:21.663+05:302014-08-12T10:09:21.663+05:30hey jay why no answrhey jay why no answrAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816095223506770563.post-25538291042777146582014-08-11T10:58:39.144+05:302014-08-11T10:58:39.144+05:30Please note the verdict in DP Joshi confirms the s...Please note the verdict in DP Joshi confirms the same i.e. birth & residence are different. I can provide further references from other sources such as Halsbury's Laws of England if you require.Jai Gottimukkalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17295146527743208423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816095223506770563.post-46762646810204855272014-08-11T10:51:35.637+05:302014-08-11T10:51:35.637+05:30The wording of article 15 (1) is clear: "The ...The wording of article 15 (1) is clear: "The State shall not discriminate against any citizen on grounds only of religion, race, caste, sex, place of birth or any of them"<br /><br />Contrast this with 16 (2): "No citizen shall, on grounds only of religion, race, caste, sex, descent, place of birth, residence or any of them, be ineligible for, or discriminated against in respect ofJai Gottimukkalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17295146527743208423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816095223506770563.post-78455026477141028892014-08-11T10:44:56.160+05:302014-08-11T10:44:56.160+05:30I will respond to your comment separately below bu...I will respond to your comment separately below but two points need to be stated upfront:<br /><br />1. This blog post can be broadly divided into two parts: legal aspects & my views ("going beyond the law". The statement you raise is from the legal part of my post.<br /><br />2. I did not use the term "Seemandhra students". Ravela Kishore Babu did so. Please see his Jai Gottimukkalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17295146527743208423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816095223506770563.post-89431079684487271592014-08-11T00:25:44.398+05:302014-08-11T00:25:44.398+05:30It is evident at a first glance that discriminatio...<b>It is evident at a first glance that discrimination based on region ("Seemandhra students") is not forbidden. Only religion, race, caste, sex and place of birth are covered. More over the article applies to cases where place for birth (or any of the others) is the only basis for discrimination.</b><br /><br />What is the different between the "Discrimination based on Region"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816095223506770563.post-87722317966536985462014-08-07T17:36:50.916+05:302014-08-07T17:36:50.916+05:30jai, what is this abt angraujai, what is this abt angrauAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816095223506770563.post-12667448586974719522014-08-06T20:04:48.412+05:302014-08-06T20:04:48.412+05:30Let us look at these together.
Prashanth Vidyarth...Let us look at these together.<br /><br />Prashanth Vidyarthy case refers to article 16 that is in no way related to our discussion. Mohini Jain case relates to capitation fee being charged under the guise of tuition fee, again unrelated.<br /><br />All other cases relate to *admissions* on an *exclusive* basis and that too to *medical* colleges. None of these three factors are attendant in the Jai Gottimukkalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17295146527743208423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816095223506770563.post-71380783279810369452014-08-06T19:58:10.253+05:302014-08-06T19:58:10.253+05:30Prashant Vidyarthy case:
This Jharkhand High Cour...Prashant Vidyarthy case:<br /><br />This Jharkhand High Court case dealt with public employment at a district basis for "local persons". Jharkhand initially tried to restrict employment to individuals whose forefathers were included in the "last survey" by invoking a two decades old Bihar notification. The state subsequently enlarged the rules by including measures where Jai Gottimukkalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17295146527743208423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816095223506770563.post-10963813117089968192014-08-06T19:57:43.433+05:302014-08-06T19:57:43.433+05:30Minor P. Rajendran case:
This case relates to adm...Minor P. Rajendran case:<br /><br />This case relates to admissions in medical colleges. Madras planned to reserve seats for backward classes and also sought to allocate seats to different districts in population ratio. The honorable court upheld BC reservations.<br /><br />The proposed district wide allocation was held not to violate 15 (1). However it fell foul of article 14 as the "nexus Jai Gottimukkalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17295146527743208423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816095223506770563.post-15830233501244995522014-08-06T18:58:09.780+05:302014-08-06T18:58:09.780+05:30I have read the various cases referred by Chalasan...I have read the various cases referred by Chalasani Srinivas:<br /><br />Minor P. Rajendran v. Madras & Ors, 1968<br />Uttar Pradesh v. Pradeep Tandon & Ors, 1974<br />Pradeep Jain Etc v. Union of India & Ors, 1984<br />Nidamarthi Mahesh Kumar v. Maharashtra & Ors, 1986<br />Mohini Jain v. Karnataka & Ors, 1992<br />Prashant Vidyarthy & Anr v. Jharkhand & Ors, 2002 (Jai Gottimukkalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17295146527743208423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816095223506770563.post-11788675918642541902014-08-06T16:34:06.391+05:302014-08-06T16:34:06.391+05:30Article 15 (1) forbids discrimination on "rel...Article 15 (1) forbids discrimination on "religion, race, caste, sex, place of birth". Article 29 (2) forbids denial of admission based on "religion, race, caste, language".<br /><br />Article 29 (2) relates *only* to admission. Moreover it does not cover "place of birth". Language, the criterion included in 29 (2) but omitted in 15 (1), is not relevant to our Jai Gottimukkalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17295146527743208423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816095223506770563.post-90216106015143807062014-08-06T12:29:02.555+05:302014-08-06T12:29:02.555+05:30jai u forgot art 29-IIjai u forgot art 29-IIAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816095223506770563.post-71529141240073869172014-08-05T18:13:41.655+05:302014-08-05T18:13:41.655+05:30Jai,
Agreed.The peole who came after 1956 to Telan...Jai,<br />Agreed.The peole who came after 1956 to Telangana, to settle here for good should be considered as natives for the financial assistance.Not only Maharashtrians,Kannadigas etc. there could be some Andhras also.But how would you administer it.<br /><br />Our 58 year history is replete with the misuse of 'mulki rules' & 6-point formula enacted to protect the interests of J R Janumpallinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816095223506770563.post-48333122429478564792014-08-05T15:22:13.132+05:302014-08-05T15:22:13.132+05:30See many cases given by Chalasani http://sarasabha...See many cases given by Chalasani http://sarasabharati-vuyyuru.com/2014/08/05/%E0%B0%8E%E0%B0%B5%E0%B0%B0%E0%B1%81-%E0%B0%B8%E0%B1%8D%E0%B0%A5%E0%B0%BE%E0%B0%A8%E0%B0%BF%E0%B0%95%E0%B1%81%E0%B0%B2%E0%B1%81-%E0%B0%9A%E0%B0%B2%E0%B0%B8%E0%B0%BE%E0%B0%A8%E0%B0%BF-%E0%B0%B6/Kishorenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816095223506770563.post-84083327460551047042014-08-05T14:42:27.442+05:302014-08-05T14:42:27.442+05:30My attention has been drawn to the claim that sect...My attention has been drawn to the claim that section 75 of the Telangana act invalidates the proposed FAST scheme. Here is a fact check:<br /><br />Section 75 (1) reads:<br /><br />"The Government of the State of Andhra Pradesh or the State of Telangana, as<br />the case may be, shall, in respect of the institutions specified in the Tenth Schedule to this Act, located in that State, Jai Gottimukkalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17295146527743208423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816095223506770563.post-28810524525079140952014-08-05T14:29:07.422+05:302014-08-05T14:29:07.422+05:30All friends may kindly note that this post has bee...All friends may kindly note that this post has been reposted on Mission Telangana.<br /><br />http://missiontelangana.com/fast-financial-assistance-for-telangana-students-and-the-1956-cut-off-date/ Jai Gottimukkalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17295146527743208423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816095223506770563.post-63295876830020669152014-08-05T12:19:29.778+05:302014-08-05T12:19:29.778+05:30Dear Janardhan,
Regarding CBN and KCR, I totally ...Dear Janardhan,<br /><br />Regarding CBN and KCR, I totally agree with you.<br /><br />I share your view we should not pay for out of state (whether Andhra or other state) students.<br /><br />Mulki rules & SPF did not work well in the past for two reasons: 1. we were a part of AP and 2. the system was poorly designed/implemented. The first problem is solved now, we just need to tackle the Jai Gottimukkalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17295146527743208423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816095223506770563.post-87326393432388032642014-08-04T23:17:14.599+05:302014-08-04T23:17:14.599+05:30Dear Jai,
I am not looking at it with CBN’s politi...Dear Jai,<br />I am not looking at it with CBN’s political problems or KCR’s political advantages. I am looking at it with the point of view of prudential and legitimate use of revenue of TS for its own students. Nobody is asking CBN to close the scheme. He can revamp it in his own style like KCR is trying to do. If CBN is trying to chew more than what he could swallow, and getting choked up withJ R Janumpallinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816095223506770563.post-56711167204407580312014-08-04T20:39:51.744+05:302014-08-04T20:39:51.744+05:30Dear Janardhan,
Thanks a lot for your comment.
T...Dear Janardhan,<br /><br />Thanks a lot for your comment.<br /><br />The biggest problem (apart from the attendant rip-off) with a scheme like fee reimbursement is that it is not easy to curtail/close it. I am sure Naidu would love to do so too but he does not have the advantages (Telangana sentiment, benefit mostly going to Andhras etc.) that KCR has.<br /><br />CBN may eventually get around to Jai Gottimukkalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17295146527743208423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816095223506770563.post-20710674040717932622014-08-04T19:59:17.224+05:302014-08-04T19:59:17.224+05:30Dear Jai,
Thanks for your reply.I agree wuth you t...Dear Jai,<br />Thanks for your reply.I agree wuth you that solutions can be found with in the existing setup. If both A.P.and TS governments understand each other in the matter. And are prepared to work together to harmoniously to find the solutions of improving the quality of education and equitable sharing of financial assistance.But, as the things stand now, that kind of coordination between J R Janumpallinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816095223506770563.post-88097496180069757002014-08-04T18:18:51.894+05:302014-08-04T18:18:51.894+05:30Thanks a lot.
Many Telangana friends are not happ...Thanks a lot.<br /><br />Many Telangana friends are not happy I am opposing the 1956 cut-off. So be it.Jai Gottimukkalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17295146527743208423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816095223506770563.post-19771399552404764812014-08-04T13:54:29.040+05:302014-08-04T13:54:29.040+05:30@Janardhan:
Thanks a lot for your interesting rej...@Janardhan:<br /><br />Thanks a lot for your interesting rejoinder. I have taken up the liberty of posting your mail as well as my reply on my blog.<br /><br />I understand FAST is not a legislation but an executive order. I further agree the proposed cut-off date is not an omnibus prescription. However, I am not certain how this distinction impacts the current distinction.<br /><br />Duplicate Jai Gottimukkalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17295146527743208423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816095223506770563.post-24490424230196121582014-08-04T12:37:43.693+05:302014-08-04T12:37:43.693+05:30Email from Janardhan Janumpalli (continued):
In t...Email from Janardhan Janumpalli (continued):<br /><br />In this context we may read a letter from an Andhra gentleman in the letters column of Hans India on 02/08/2014.<br /><br />Hans India – Letters dt.02/08/2014<br /><br />Free hand to KCR: <br /><br />All the noble and magnanimous ideas of A.P. CM Chandrababu Naidu to see that fee reimbursement should be shared in the 58:42 ratio are Jai Gottimukkalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17295146527743208423noreply@blogger.com